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Jonathan Frank's avatar

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1) As a Protestant, I have to point out that you don't take this point nearly far enough. There wasn't even a Pope - I would argue at all, but certainly not in the imperial sense inherited from Gregory the Great - for several hundred years. Similarly, while I can't recall off-hand the date of the change, the Roman church has decided that the Apostle Paul's injunction that bishops ought (in general) to be married can be ignored and celibacy mandated instead. If modern Roman Catholic institutional arrangements are legitimate, this necessarily requires that the Church has the power to re-arbitrate even Scripture-based organizational practice. (Of course, I think quite a bit of the Roman Catholic institutional accretion isn't legitimate, but that also has nothing to do with whether it's considered suitable by the surrounding culture.)

2a) Let's define "parish" broadly as the practice of Christians living with the people they worship with. I admit that this has been almost entirely - and wrongly - abandoned by American Protestants; but it doesn't seem to me that Roman Catholics are much behind us in practice. Even for Protestants - despite the glorification of individual conscience - I think it's mostly accidental: you live one place, work some distance from home, have to shop in a third place, and even the closest church may be off in yet a fourth direction. I'm not sure the individual's responsibility to pursue geographical life integration - actually I think this is a weakness of mine - but it seems like the church as a body ought to, as much as possible, live full lives together and the Church's institutions and clergy ought to actively encourage this goal and not merely leave it to lay efforts - without denying that the laity will in fact have to do much of the work and even instigate at times. Overall, I think the goal is to reinvigorate institutions, not shrug off their loss as simply humanity moving on to some kind of new phase.

2b) I'm not sure about the descriptive accuracy of the engine/fuel analogy, but I don't like it at all as an aspirational one. I suspect the fuel:engine::parishioners:parish analogy may be descriptively accurate for the 20th century, as it mirrors the secularization of the American Protestant churches during the same time period. By "secularization" I mean the Church trying to leave God out of the equation. The "fuel" of the Church must Christ. If I want to extend my correction, I might say Christ is the fuel and the Spirit is the engine. The clergy are the guidance mechanism for our machine - that is, while they are of course crucial to proper progress of the Church, they provide no motive power on their own - and the laity the actual machinery. In this analogy and consistent with what I said above the organization of parishes (or any proposed alternative) ought perhaps to be considered the frame? It doesn't, maybe, really do much by itself, but try doing anything without it!

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1. I tend not to look to the institutional church for spiritual friendships and growth. I have a prayer group that meets in my home, and I started a book club in the parish because I wanted one. Other women's ministries in the parish have been started and are run by lay faithful who saw the need and made a plan to meet it. Except for RCIA run by a deacon and one 20-minute prayer service weekly run by our associate priest, clergy isn't involved in anything fostering spiritual growth. It's all done by the laity.

2. Our parish is focused on the personality and preaching/teaching skills of our pastor. He is amazingly gifted at bringing people to Jesus through his preaching and teaching. Reconciliations is celebrated with enthusiasm. However, the daily life of the parish is run by the laity - and we do a good job helping each other grow in our faith. I don't think our pastor really knows what else is going on in the parish besides his preaching and teaching ministries. I feel like the engine and the fuel are in 2 different vehicles running side-by-side. It seems to be working, however.

3. In a world that doesn't trust institutions, our parish's ministries are just what the doctor ordered. Our pastoral staff does not lead at all in meeting the fellowship and educational needs of the laity. All our ministries are run by the laity. Most have grown up organically by lay people who have seen a need and gathered people together to run the needed ministry.

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